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Postby Jerrod Douglas » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:03 am

Sin is sin. We will answer for any and all of it if we don't get it right with HIM. Also get ourselves right with him. If we truely are striving after righteousness why would we literally bring our bodys and participate in things that have way too much sin and temptation there? Im speaking of many places, including a COMPETITION of some kind. In COMPETITION I don't think a good christian man would try to hurt anyone intentionally or lie about a vote or not want to be a light and shining example. I don't think a good christian man would want do any of this anywhere he goes BUT if he puts himself in front of temptation he is setting a TRAP for himself. Usually the ENEMY is VERY GOOD at setting a trap. If I want to set a snare out to catch a coyote do you think I will set it out in a freshly bush hogged field and catch him. No. I will do my very best to try and NOT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A TRAP. If I do this and he comes my way I am SURE to catch him. The same is if the devil sets a trap for me most of the time I wont notice the trap until I am caught and hopefully I can get out alive. Don't set yourself up for failure, set yourself up for success! There are simply some places a CHILD OF GOD shouldn't go. If we notice the traps the enemy has for us then they must not be good traps. The devil has been in his business for a long time and is good at what he does.GOD said to take heed when we think we stand!

A job can be a trap. Yes it can. A man I know had a job mechanicing at home and made an ok living. He got an offer to go to work on a pipeline and make big money. Guess what? He did and guess what? He and his family were in church and doing well in GOD but when moved away from the safety of the church they began to SLOWLY fall. It took about six months but it happened. They back slid and their three teenage kids are now in sins they wouldn't have imagined if they would have stayed where they should have. I remember the day the preacher warned them of what would happen. He read their mail but they didn't believe him. They thought they would be ok and would be able to be a light to others in other places.

If you just jump into the water with a dip net and try to catch a fish with it what will I catch? Nothing. If I get me a good hoop net with a good lead net attatched to it and place it in the water what will happen? When a fish comes up to it and bumps into the net he is gonna keep swimming. He bumps again. Keeps swimming. Keeps bumping around until he is caught and then he realizes it. But its too late. Into the frying pan he goes!

The devil isn't gonna jump out here and start throwing flames at us and consume us like that. He sets traps for us to fall in. COMPETITION is surely a trap we will fall in. Too many little bitty sins involved there for it not to be a BIG trap. Is a whore house a trap? You bet it is. Like the last post on here said, he hopes that COMPETITION HUNTING is the only sin he would have to worry about,,,, guess what the sins that go along with COMPETITION are just as big as the sins of ADULTERY and MURDER in GODS eyes. What is so scary about this is we will overlook these little bitty sins(so we think they are) and get the big ones right with Him. This my friends is how the trap I am telling you about works.

Our country is in a war at the moment. This war is claimed to be the hardest one the USA has ever fought. Do you know why?? It is hard to recognize the enemy! Its like a trap everywhere they go. One village they ride in and the civilians are peaceful and harmless. The next village they go to has civilians that look exactly the same but when we get in firing range they unload on us. The enemy has an upperhand when we can't recognize it. The devil comes to steal, kill, and destroy. He is our enemy. He ain't gonna just show himself as he is very much. He will DECEIVE us into thinking things and places are safe, then guess what, the enemy creeps in and works right in our midst and before we recognize it we are caught(and still dont know it). If he can keep us coming to places where he can work like this and us never recognize it then we will. Its the small foxes that spoil the vine, said JESUS. You don't have to be honest with me but at least be honest with yourselves. What I am telling here is the TRUTH and you know it. Still remember, I COMPETITION hunt but this is the truth I hate to even admit.
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Postby James Guy » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:06 am

Jerrod,
You are correct about the work and tricks of the devil. Yet, it is also true that the devil has to use different tricks for different people. Same as for fish. For some fish you use live crickets, for others artificial lures, and for others (like trout) you use flies.

So, I don't think we can say competition is wrong for everybody since it is not wrong in and of itself. Sleeping with a prostitute is wrong itself, so that would be wrong for everybody.

I thought of another example yesterday. The internet that we are having this discussion over is not evil in itself. Yet, many, if not most, men are tempted at times to look at porn, and many give in to that temptation. Others also use the internet in bad ways - to cheap people, etc. That does not mean the internet is bad, nor that we should not use it because it can be one of Satan's traps. It means that there are SOME who should not use it because they give in to the temptation - it is their weakness.

Others can use the internet for GOOD - just as we are in this discussion of how Christians should act. There are many good things on the internet and many ways it can be used well, including to teach and share the gospel. Competition is the same. It can be used for evil, and there are some who probably should not participate in it because of their weakness. Others can use the same activity for good.

Jerrod, I do hope you continue to comp. hunt - but only if you can do it with a good conscience and avoid any pitfalls of sin. I think the fact that you care and are discussing it is a good indication that you can...but only you can decide that.

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Postby James Guy » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:20 am

Here is another good guiding scripture for those who comp. hunt - or any comp. activity.

Matthew 7:12 (NIV)
12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.


If we follow that and think about it as we hunt....imagine what we can do.

If that tree is slick, but you want to circle it to beat the other guy, just think....would I want that guy to do that to me if the tables were turned? "I vote slick - minus my dog!"

Next time the tables may be turned....you may be the winner because someone else was honest. Sometimes you will be the looser because someone else was dishonest (happens more often than not). But that is on them. Just remember one other scripture...

Galatians 6:7-8 (NIV)
"7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life."
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Postby Jerrod Douglas » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:24 pm

Always remember, a trap, if seen ahead of time by the pray, will not be effective. If the trap is hidden well by the predator it is sure to catch its pray.

I don't think that no one is the exception of the rule to any sin. I do know that some are weaker in areas that others are stronger in but any and every man will fall if continued to be bumping the side of that lead net.

The ones that doesn't see and recognize a trap when they see one then they are gonna get caught.

Yes a cricket attracts certain fish. An artificial lure attracts other fish. So is the same as a bar, which is not a sin itself without action, is maybe the cricket that attracts certain people because of their likes. And so is the same as a COMPETITION HUNT is maybe the artificial lure that attracts other people because of their likes. Just because we enjoy some things and have a good time doing them doesn't always mean that we are in a place of safety. All baits are different, but the hook is still hidden inside the bait.
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Postby James Guy » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:08 pm

Jerrod Douglas wrote:Always remember, a trap, if seen ahead of time by the pray, will not be effective. If the trap is hidden well by the predator it is sure to catch its pray.

I don't think that no one is the exception of the rule to any sin. I do know that some are weaker in areas that others are stronger in but any and every man will fall if continued to be bumping the side of that lead net.

The ones that doesn't see and recognize a trap when they see one then they are gonna get caught.

Yes a cricket attracts certain fish. An artificial lure attracts other fish. So is the same as a bar, which is not a sin itself without action, is maybe the cricket that attracts certain people because of their likes. And so is the same as a COMPETITION HUNT is maybe the artificial lure that attracts other people because of their likes. Just because we enjoy some things and have a good time doing them doesn't always mean that we are in a place of safety. All baits are different, but the hook is still hidden inside the bait.



yep, and we always have to "Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." 1 Peter 5:8 (NIV)
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Postby Austin Alford » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:41 pm

I love it when you can backup yourself with scripture
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Postby Jerrod Douglas » Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:20 am

I do too but the funny thing is that all of these scriptures so far have no meaning in putting yourself in a place full of sin for the enjoyment of yourself. :shock:
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Postby Austin Alford » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:21 am

thats like going to a bar; is it a sin to be there? No, I dont think so. If you participate is the activitys that go on in there you can be doing sin full things. It not healthy for you relationship with God cause we are weak to temptation. I have been to a bar never drank, did go home with a man wife or get into any altercations with anyone. You can go anywhere and be a christian or a lost person. You controll how you present your self to the world. People will judge but its not up to them where you go the true judge is The Lord Jesus
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Postby Jerrod Douglas » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:57 am

You are right but again if we are truely lead by GOD then why would we be lead into a place of temptation? He said for us to pray that for Him to lead me Not into temptation but deliver us from evil. Do you honestly believe that he is talking about deliverance from temptation once we get to the bar or the deliverance from temptation of bringing yourself to a place where sinful activities go on? Be honest about this, it is no place for a Child of God. It is like the ox lead to the slaughter and the bird caught in the snare. Its like the lead net beginning on the hoop net, when you decide to go to a place like this you are swimming right down the lead net. Once you make a move in that direction you are getting closer and closer to getting caught. Why put yourself as close as you can to sin and say you are not gonna sin? Its like riding the fence. Jesus's word and prayer for us wasn't intended for us just to be what WE want to be and go the places where this FLESH wants us to go and we will be delivered from temptation. No. It all starts with the decisions we make in our mind on what we allow these eyes to see. You let yourself in a place full of sin you are tempting yourself. Why would GOD want this?
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Postby Jerrod Douglas » Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:25 am

Austin Alford wrote: You can go anywhere and be a christian or a lost person. You controll how you present your self to the world.


A christian that claims to be a christian may go anywhere. A christian led by GOD isn't gonna go just anywhere he wants to. He will be lead by GOD. God doesn't LEAD his people to a bar. PEOPLE lead people to a bar. This is so silly to even think that GOD is pleased with us going to a place like this. A man that knoweth to do good and doeth it not unto HIM it is sin.

A CHRISTIAN is to be after the heart of CHRIST. Whose heart are we after in places like this, CHRISTS or ours?
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Postby Jerrod Douglas » Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:01 am

Austin Alford wrote:I love it when you can backup yourself with scripture


If you haven't noticed I have used many, many scriptures for reasons why a CHRISTIAN shouldn't go just anywhere this flesh wants him or her to go. I have just used GODS word in discussion. Maybe if I go back and edit all my posts by quoting the scriptures and give where they are found then you may notice it more of GODS WORD instead of man made rules. I have been just discussing this subject but I believe I can PILE UP scriptures on here against these subjects and I don't believe there will be any scriptures that will go against them.

If GOD isn't first in our lives then he is last. I have scripture for this also but I was just using it in conversation. We should have a good understanding for the WORD of GOD. Not just a glimps of it but all of it. Just like believing in GOD and being saved. I believe that if you believe in GOD you will be saved but the word says if we believe there are some steps we will take after first believing. A lot of christians believe in that one scripture. We must Believe but there are scriptures that say we will do things if we believe. One commandment leads to another(steps). It says to study and show thyself approved a workman that needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
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Postby James Guy » Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:31 pm

We should be careful not to let these become debates rather than discussions. I see the scripture in my buddy Jerrod’s comments – plus it is not a competition (grin) to see who can use the most scriptures. I do like to highlight scripture when I write something, just to emphasize it. That is how I was taught to do when writing, just for emphasis.
I really appreciate Jerrod’s willingness to be obedient to God as well. If competition hunting is a place where he knows he would give into temptation, he should probably stay away. I personally hope that is not the case, but… only he can decide that.

Jerrod is correct about being led by God. We can’t just “be a Christian” and live like we want to. Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Jerrod was also correct earlier that we should not have the perspective that “it’s no big deal” when it comes to sin, or “there are other things I could do that are worse.” Our desire should be to be the best we can for God.
We also must avoid temptation that we know will lead us to do evil. That is the thing that may vary from person to person. Some are tempted to do some things that others have no temptation for. Some are tempted to explore homosexuality – that has never been a temptation of mine. For someone else, they may be tempted to practice homosexuality, but not be tempted by other things that tempt me. Romans 14, for example, says “One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.”

I know people who sin in discussions such as this…one of the biggest temptations for some, ironically, is PRIDE. They want to WIN the argument. That is the same temptation as in the woods (plus cheating, lying, and a few others). I have heard people who were on mission trips and having “supposed to be” Bible studies with others they were trying to convert to Christianity, who said boastfully afterwards, “I won that one – they did not have a comeback.” Was the point to win, or to teach? For them, it was apparently to win the people to themselves (not to Christ) by winning the debate. That does not mean we should not discuss the Bible. It means we should learn HOW to do it without sin – and learn to recognize our weakness and temptation in doing something – even in something that itself is a good thing. That comes, as Jerrod noted, from learning to be led by God and from knowing His will through scripture and His Spirit.

The issue is really not so much if we should go in a bar, but whether it is evil to competition hunt because we may be tempted, or because there are many there who do evil. A bar and competition hunting are not really “apples to apples.” We can’t say we should not go anywhere that we may be tempted. That would mean we couldn’t leave our house. Even then we would find temptation. Jesus said, “ My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one” (John 17:15). As for a bar, we should probably ask WHY we were going. As Jerrod said earlier, we should not be getting as close to the fence as we can to see how much we can get away with. If we were TRULY going to show people Jesus, that is different than, “I’m going because I want to and you can’t tell me it’s wrong.” What do you plan to do there??? Purpose and attitude matter there.

But Jesus and the Apostles did often go to places where there was sin and sinners. Most often, it was to influence others for Christ. They also went to the pagan temples and marketplaces (as I mentioned in an earlier post in I Corinthians 8) apparently to buy cheap meat. It was not wrong, but Paul said it would be wrong if he did it in front of someone who thought it was wrong and influenced them to do it, that would be wrong. The eating meat wasn’t wrong, and being there wasn’t wrong, but influencing a brother to sin was wrong. Another example is in Acts 15 where the Gentiles were told not to eat food from idols, sexual immorality, and meat from strangled animals, and blood. There is no New Testament scripture or principle against three of these (about the foods), only the sexual immorality. In fact, God had taught Peter and others that they could eat anything under the New Testament (though the Old Testament Jewish system did have different “rules” – See Acts 10 & 11, and Romans 14:14). It was not the eating of these foods that was wrong, but the fact that they, being Gentiles, may give glory to an idol when eating it (see again Romans 14:14). This is an example of where something is not wrong, but where I should avoid the thing if it will cause ME to sin. It may not be the same for you.

People watching Jesus accused Him of being wrong for eating with the sinners (Mark 2:16). He went where there was sin and sinners, but He did not participate in the sin. He and the Apostles often went to places and people who were sinners. They spoke to prostitutes and others that the religious society would not speak to because they believed they were above them. These examples tell us that it is not wrong to go to a place because there is sin there, but that it is wrong to participate in the sin, and wrong to influence others to sin. If we go to a place where there is sin and sinners, we can also influence them for good as both the Apostles and Jesus did.

So, applying this to competition hunting, it is not a sin to participate (or attend) competition hunts, even though there are sin and sinners there. But, if we know that we will be tempted to sin and cannot avoid that sin, then we may decide it is best for us not to participate (just as the Gentiles should not eat meat sacrificed to idols), at least until we learn to do differently. If we can do as Jesus and the Apostles and participate in a way that sets a good example, then we may decide we should participate. Does that mean we will never sin in the woods? No. We are never above sinning anywhere (only Jesus was). But, it means we are, as Jerrod said, trying to be led by God and live as He wants us to live. When we do sin, we should recognize it and be sorry for it. I John 1:1-10 tells us that as we walk in the light, and are willing to admit our sin, the blood of Jesus keeps forgiving us. But, when we no longer walk in the light (because we live a life of sin) and are unwilling to admit our sin, we are in darkness and do not have that forgiveness. Walking in the light does not mean we do not sin (or there would be nothing to forgive). It means we are trying to live right.
If we go to the woods with the attitude that “if I sin, it’s no big deal” then we need to read I John 1 again and check our hearts. If we go to the woods with the attitude that, “ I know I could sin, but I’m going to do my best to not sin and be a good example for Christ”, then we are walking in the light. If we realize we did sin in some way while participating in the activity, we should repent of that, be willing to admit it, and work to correct it. The difference is not in the place or activity itself, but in the heart with which we participate in it.
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Postby Jerrod Douglas » Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:14 pm

The scripture says to MAKE no precisions for the flesh, meaning that WE ourselves can either MAKE provisions or NOT MAKE provisions. YOU will be tempted in any type of competition that you PARTICIPATE in. It is the nature of the flesh to be competitive. It is not the nature of the spirit that we are to be led by(GOD). So if you or I participate in competition we are making provisions for our flesh. Making provisions for the flesh is far more than just adulterous things. Most people thinks of this only. We have a choice to make, either participate in competition where a competitive spirit is sure to tempt EVERY person in some and many ways or just decide NOT to make provisions for the flesh by being strong enough to put these things aside.
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Postby Jerrod Douglas » Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:59 am

CHOICES.

I know there are some places and things we must go and do. We MUST GO to work. We MUST GO to the grocery store. We MUST GO pay our bills, etc. And I do believe people can have certain things, like pleasure hunting,etc., that they can have fun in. Now if you are not trying your best to walk with God any of this shouldn't pertain to you. But if you are then why in the world would you want to set your heart to believe that you can participate in COMPETITIVE sports and not be tempted. If you say you don't get tempted by a COMPETITIVE spirit to want to win than that is hard for me to believe. Like I said before it is the nature of this FLESH to want to win, prove your dog can win a placement,etc. If you are doing it for just you and your hound then what in the world do you have to prove to just you and your hound. I mean, you have been pleasure hunting that thing all week and you already know every move it is capable of and its coon treeing ability. Bottom line, a competition hunt is a place where the spirit of COMPETITION will be working in you. If you don't think so then why would you go? Some at these hunts want to win more than others I know but EVERY person there wants to win or they would have never loaded their old hound up. The temptation of the sins that are sure to be in competition starts in the decision whether to go or not to go to a competition of any kind. God could care less about who wins the WORLD HUNT or who wins the SUPER BOWL. No way. So why in the world should any of his children try and win something or cheer for a certain team that we want to win?
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Postby James Guy » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:56 am

Jerrod Douglas wrote:CHOICES.

I know there are some places and things we must go and do. We MUST GO to work. We MUST GO to the grocery store. We MUST GO pay our bills, etc. And I do believe people can have certain things, like pleasure hunting,etc., that they can have fun in. Now if you are not trying your best to walk with God any of this shouldn't pertain to you. But if you are then why in the world would you want to set your heart to believe that you can participate in COMPETITIVE sports and not be tempted. If you say you don't get tempted by a COMPETITIVE spirit to want to win than that is hard for me to believe. Like I said before it is the nature of this FLESH to want to win, prove your dog can win a placement,etc. If you are doing it for just you and your hound then what in the world do you have to prove to just you and your hound. I mean, you have been pleasure hunting that thing all week and you already know every move it is capable of and its coon treeing ability. Bottom line, a competition hunt is a place where the spirit of COMPETITION will be working in you. If you don't think so then why would you go? Some at these hunts want to win more than others I know but EVERY person there wants to win or they would have never loaded their old hound up. The temptation of the sins that are sure to be in competition starts in the decision whether to go or not to go to a competition of any kind. God could care less about who wins the WORLD HUNT or who wins the SUPER BOWL. No way. So why in the world should any of his children try and win something or cheer for a certain team that we want to win?


Why is it wrong to want to win a competition? I know of no scripture or biblical principle that would forbid this. Unless you do it in a way that is sinful (cheating, lying, sinful pride, etc.).
Being proud of winning, of your dog, etc. is not the same as sinful pride that puffs up as long as you are THANKFUL for the win, your dog, etc.
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